Dr. Ben Carson: From the Operating Room to the Campaign Trail?

Thursday, May 22, 2014

ben_carson, cpac, gop Dr. Ben Carson speaks during the 41st annual Conservative Political Action Conference on March 8, 2014 in National Harbor, Maryland. (T.J. Kirkpatrick/Getty)

A handful of conservative politicians have already shown interest in running on the 2016 Republican presidential ticket: Governor Jeb Bush, Governor Chris Christie, and Senator Rand Paul, just to name a few.

Another potential candidate from outside the beltway has recently entered Republican circles: Dr. Ben Carson, a retired neurosurgeon from Johns Hopkins. Dr. Carson is probably best known for his speech at the 2013 National Prayer Breakfast, when he attacked the left for high taxes, political correctness and the Affordable Care Act.

Dr. Carson reiterates these points in his new book called "One Nation: What We Can All Do to Save America's Future." While the book reads like a campaign manifesto, Carson insists that he's not running.

"As you know there are a lot of people who think I should run for president; that was not in bucket list of things to do," Dr. Carson tells Takeaway host John Hockenberry.

Yet Dr. Carson entertains the idea. In response to a question about the legality of gay marriage, Dr. Carson insists that if he did find himself in the White House, he would "uphold the laws of the land, whatever they are, regardless of my own personal beliefs."

While he does not support changing the "definition of marriage," he says, "Do any two human beings—adults—have the right to join together in a legal relationship? Of course they do. And I think that is the real issue."

If elected, Dr. Carson indicates that he would support the dismantling of the Affordable Care Act.

"My argument is that the most important thing that a person has is their health and their healthcare and that should be in their hands not in the hands of someone else," he explains. "That is fundamentally oppositional to the whole concept of freedom."

He also finds little significance in the fact that, if elected, he would become the second black president of the United States. "I am anxious for the time that people don't consider a person's color," he explains.

Listen to the full interview above to hear more from Dr. Carson.

Guests:

Dr. Ben Carson

Produced by:

Arwa Gunja and Jillian Weinberger

Editors:

T.J. Raphael

Comments [50]

Joyce from Conn. from Connecticut

Dr. Carson may be a skilled surgeon but his logic, analogies and metaphors were infuriatingly irrational. There is no analogy between a subjective, culturally-defined concept of the sanctioning or legalization of a relationship between two human beings to the irrefutable science of mathematics. The latter is Science.....no two answers to identical equations. Marriage is a concept, a word....identified by people to suit their own desires...one man + 6 women, two women, one man+ woman. No one in his/her right mind will posit that two and two are five. I like John H but I wondered how he could not scream at this jackass and his craziness...and that includes .comparing Republicans of today with Republicans of the 1800's. Parties change, standards change, policies change. I was hoarse after screaming at this politician-wanna-be. He'd be laughed off the dais.

Republicans are frightening.

May. 27 2014 08:41 PM
Sredni Vashtar from the Shed Out Back

Being a physician makes you (theoretically) good at treating patients. It doesn't automatically confer expertise in other areas. I met many people in medical school who were ignorant of anything outside of science. To be fair, the pressures on applicants skew in that direction.

May. 26 2014 09:32 AM
grover5995

The concept of a black conservative running for President is intruiguing, but it won't happen if he refuses to oppose same-sex marriage.

May. 23 2014 10:28 AM
grover5995

The concept of a black conservative running for President is intruiguing, but it won't happen if he refuses to oppose same-sex marriage.

May. 23 2014 10:23 AM
Thomas A. Wilson Jr.

You're kidding me, right? As bad as the GOP despised President Obama, I love writing/saying that, don't believe they would let Carson get that close!

May. 22 2014 10:28 PM
ِARTH from New York

He can never be President because, unlike Obama, he is a part of the "slave" ethnos.

May. 22 2014 10:07 PM
Chris from Albany, CA

[My apologies if this topic has already been discussed]

While I could get into a "spirited debate" with Dr. Carson concerning a number of things he said during the segment on today's show, I was most irritated by his complete false analogy of math and same-sex marriage.
Dr. Carson made a comparison along the lines of , "People have always said '2+2=4' (the traditional marriage defenders), but now there are people trying to tell mathematicians that '2+2=5' (supporters of same sex marriage)". [This is not an exact quote, but it's the analogy he made]
Sorry, bad comparison. What he's doing is equating math with society. Math is the skeleton of our Universe, and it is what helps us understand the world we live in BECAUSE it never changes. He seems to be ignoring the fact that society is fluid and ever-changing. While we may live in a world full of what seems like strict rules, they are not unbendable or even unbreakable. Society is always in a state of flux, unlike math. So to try and tell someone that they are comparable subjects is flat out wrong. They are not comparable. Thus, bad, and false, analogy.
Dr. Carson helped reinforce something my parents often said to me when I was a kid, "Just because someone's intelligent doesn't mean everything that comes out of their mouth is smart."

May. 22 2014 08:10 PM
Jonathan M Lloyd from Troy, NY

"[Health and healthcare] should be in their hands not in the hands of someone else." So I guess no insurance at all then? Just cash for everything? That's just great...for the people with the cash. My guess is that the good doctor (he *is* a great doctor) hasn't thought this one through.

May. 22 2014 08:06 PM
Rebecca Doerfer from Beacon, NY

I think the statement he makes comparing addition to gay marriage is manipulative.
The average human's logical reaction to 2+2=5 would be that it is irrational and preposterous. To use this incorrect equation (which is arguable whether or not it is incorrect anyway) in comparison to gay marriage is manipulative because it spawns the same reaction: preposterous, silly, impossible.

If it is the changing of symbols, or words that he has an issue with he definitely shouldn't be President.

May. 22 2014 06:17 PM

Indeed, Frederick was a republican. Now, was that the republican party of Abraham Lincoln, or the republican party of Trent Lott?

May. 22 2014 06:04 PM

When the doctor pointed out that MLK's father was a republican, did he remember that, at that time, George Wallace and Strom Thurmond were democrats.

May. 22 2014 05:05 PM

I agree with him that race just keeps on coming up in every conversation here in the US, but our society has never dealt with all of the issues surrounding the institution of slavery and until we do, it will continue to come up. As an ER physician of many years, the protocol for treating a woman who comes into the ER after a sexual assault is: to treat her physical injuries, provide psychological support, medications as well as initiating care management, mental health therapy, safe environment and a multitude of means to help her deal with this trauma. One of the things her spouse, family, friend or supporters are taught to do is encourage her to speak about the event and verbalize her feeling and for them to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. If you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, those victims statistically fair badly. That is exactly what took place during slavery; a man had no right to object if the master wanted to have sex with his wife (daughter or 8 year old boy), if he wanted you to breed with your sister because you would likely produce physically strong offspring to work in the fields, that was his right, all while the master woke up every Sunday and went to church and claimed to be a Christian.

Then all of a sudden, the law not says to those slaves who endured all of the broken homes and families pulled apart at the seam: “you’re free now- you are no longer my responsibility. Fend for yourselves”. These people had no education, most couldn’t read or write and had very basic math skills other then counting to 100. Those issues were never addressed during reconstruction and persisted for many years even after the civil rights years and as a result those issues are still at the forefront in 2014. It was an institution that was just as traumatic for whites as it was for blacks, because those who were against the poor treatment of a people, were under duress and could not speak up about it if your work or living depended on that white master. There should have been a teaching program that gathered both blacks and whites together and taught all people how to be a true US citizen, how to get along and encourage all involved to speak about the event and verbalize their feelings and to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. That if you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, we will not ever progress pass the hurt and pain.

But that didn’t happen; however, it’s not too late. My plan of care would be for those interested to join me in having this conversation officially, before this country tears itself apart or worse end up in another civil war. We already have this 2 party system that has dominated American politics to the point that nothing can get done. We need to stop addressing symptoms and address the problem.

May. 22 2014 04:56 PM

I agree with him that race just keeps on coming up in every conversation here in the US, but our society has never dealt with all of the issues surrounding the institution of slavery and until we do, it will continue to come up. As an ER physician of many years, the protocol for treating a woman who comes into the ER after a sexual assault is: to treat her physical injuries, provide psychological support, medications as well as initiating care management, mental health therapy, safe environment and a multitude of means to help her deal with this trauma. One of the things her spouse, family, friend or supporters are taught to do is encourage her to speak about the event and verbalize her feeling and for them to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. If you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, those victims statistically fair badly. That is exactly what took place during slavery; a man had no right to object if the master wanted to have sex with his wife (daughter or 8 year old boy), if he wanted you to breed with your sister because you would likely produce physically strong offspring to work in the fields, that was his right, all while the master woke up every Sunday and went to church and claimed to be a Christian.

Then all of a sudden, the law not says to those slaves who endured all of the broken homes and families pulled apart at the seam: “you’re free now- you are no longer my responsibility. Fend for yourselves”. These people had no education, most couldn’t read or write and had very basic math skills other then counting to 100. Those issues were never addressed during reconstruction and persisted for many years even after the civil rights years and as a result those issues are still at the forefront in 2014. It was an institution that was just as traumatic for whites as it was for blacks, because those who were against the poor treatment of a people, were under duress and could not speak up about it if your work or living depended on that white master. There should have been a teaching program that gathered both blacks and whites together and taught all people how to be a true US citizen, how to get along and encourage all involved to speak about the event and verbalize their feelings and to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. That if you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, we will not ever progress pass the hurt and pain.

But that didn’t happen; however, it’s not too late. My plan of care would be for those interested to join me in having this conversation officially, before this country tears itself apart or worse end up in another civil war. We already have this 2 party system that has dominated American politics to the point that nothing can get done. We need to stop addressing symptoms and address the problem.

May. 22 2014 04:55 PM

I agree with him that race just keeps on coming up in every conversation here in the US, but our society has never dealt with all of the issues surrounding the institution of slavery and until we do, it will continue to come up. As an ER physician of many years, the protocol for treating a woman who comes into the ER after a sexual assault is: to treat her physical injuries, provide psychological support, medications as well as initiating care management, mental health therapy, safe environment and a multitude of means to help her deal with this trauma. One of the things her spouse, family, friend or supporters are taught to do is encourage her to speak about the event and verbalize her feeling and for them to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. If you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, those victims statistically fair badly. That is exactly what took place during slavery; a man had no right to object if the master wanted to have sex with his wife (daughter or 8 year old boy), if he wanted you to breed with your sister because you would likely produce physically strong offspring to work in the fields, that was his right, all while the master woke up every Sunday and went to church and claimed to be a Christian.

Then all of a sudden, the law not says to those slaves who endured all of the broken homes and families pulled apart at the seam: “you’re free now- you are no longer my responsibility. Fend for yourselves”. These people had no education, most couldn’t read or write and had very basic math skills other then counting to 100. Those issues were never addressed during reconstruction and persisted for many years even after the civil rights years and as a result those issues are still at the forefront in 2014. It was an institution that was just as traumatic for whites as it was for blacks, because those who were against the poor treatment of a people, were under duress and could not speak up about it if your work or living depended on that white master. There should have been a teaching program that gathered both blacks and whites together and taught all people how to be a true US citizen, how to get along and encourage all involved to speak about the event and verbalize their feelings and to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. That if you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, we will not ever progress pass the hurt and pain.

But that didn’t happen; however, it’s not too late. My plan of care would be for those interested to join me in having this conversation officially, before this country tears itself apart or worse end up in another civil war. We already have this 2 party system that has dominated American politics to the point that nothing can get done. We need to stop addressing symptoms and address the problem.

May. 22 2014 04:55 PM

I agree with him that race just keeps on coming up in every conversation here in the US, but our society has never dealt with all of the issues surrounding the institution of slavery and until we do, it will continue to come up. As an ER physician of many years, the protocol for treating a woman who comes into the ER after a sexual assault is: to treat her physical injuries, provide psychological support, medications as well as initiating care management, mental health therapy, safe environment and a multitude of means to help her deal with this trauma. One of the things her spouse, family, friend or supporters are taught to do is encourage her to speak about the event and verbalize her feeling and for them to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. If you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, those victims statistically fair badly. That is exactly what took place during slavery; a man had no right to object if the master wanted to have sex with his wife (daughter or 8 year old boy), if he wanted you to breed with your sister because you would likely produce physically strong offspring to work in the fields, that was his right, all while the master woke up every Sunday and went to church and claimed to be a Christian.

Then all of a sudden, the law not says to those slaves who endured all of the broken homes and families pulled apart at the seam: “you’re free now- you are no longer my responsibility. Fend for yourselves”. These people had no education, most couldn’t read or write and had very basic math skills other then counting to 100. Those issues were never addressed during reconstruction and persisted for many years even after the civil rights years and as a result those issues are still at the forefront in 2014. It was an institution that was just as traumatic for whites as it was for blacks, because those who were against the poor treatment of a people, were under duress and could not speak up about it if your work or living depended on that white master. There should have been a teaching program that gathered both blacks and whites together and taught all people how to be a true US citizen, how to get along and encourage all involved to speak about the event and verbalize their feelings and to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. That if you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, we will not ever progress pass the hurt and pain.

But that didn’t happen; however, it’s not too late. My plan of care would be for those interested to join me in having this conversation officially, before this country tears itself apart or worse end up in another civil war. We already have this 2 party system that has dominated American politics to the point that nothing can get done. We need to stop addressing symptoms and address the problem.

May. 22 2014 04:54 PM

I agree with him that race just keeps on coming up in every conversation here in the US, but our society has never dealt with all of the issues surrounding the institution of slavery and until we do, it will continue to come up. As an ER physician of many years, the protocol for treating a woman who comes into the ER after a sexual assault is: to treat her physical injuries, provide psychological support, medications as well as initiating care management, mental health therapy, safe environment and a multitude of means to help her deal with this trauma. One of the things her spouse, family, friend or supporters are taught to do is encourage her to speak about the event and verbalize her feeling and for them to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. If you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, those victims statistically fair badly. That is exactly what took place during slavery; a man had no right to object if the master wanted to have sex with his wife (daughter or 8 year old boy), if he wanted you to breed with your sister because you would likely produce physically strong offspring to work in the fields, that was his right, all while the master woke up every Sunday and went to church and claimed to be a Christian.

Then all of a sudden, the law not says to those slaves who endured all of the broken homes and families pulled apart at the seam: “you’re free now- you are no longer my responsibility. Fend for yourselves”. These people had no education, most couldn’t read or write and had very basic math skills other then counting to 100. Those issues were never addressed during reconstruction and persisted for many years even after the civil rights years and as a result those issues are still at the forefront in 2014. It was an institution that was just as traumatic for whites as it was for blacks, because those who were against the poor treatment of a people, were under duress and could not speak up about it if your work or living depended on that white master. There should have been a teaching program that gathered both blacks and whites together and taught all people how to be a true US citizen, how to get along and encourage all involved to speak about the event and verbalize their feelings and to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. That if you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, we will not ever progress pass the hurt and pain.

But that didn’t happen; however, it’s not too late. My plan of care would be for those interested to join me in having this conversation officially, before this country tears itself apart or worse end up in another civil war. We already have this 2 party system that has dominated American politics to the point that nothing can get done. We need to stop addressing symptoms and address the problem.

May. 22 2014 04:54 PM

I agree with him that race just keeps on coming up in every conversation here in the US, but our society has never dealt with all of the issues surrounding the institution of slavery and until we do, it will continue to come up. As an ER physician of many years, the protocol for treating a woman who comes into the ER after a sexual assault is: to treat her physical injuries, provide psychological support, medications as well as initiating care management, mental health therapy, safe environment and a multitude of means to help her deal with this trauma. One of the things her spouse, family, friend or supporters are taught to do is encourage her to speak about the event and verbalize her feeling and for them to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. If you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, those victims statistically fair badly. That is exactly what took place during slavery; a man had no right to object if the master wanted to have sex with his wife (daughter or 8 year old boy), if he wanted you to breed with your sister because you would likely produce physically strong offspring to work in the fields, that was his right, all while the master woke up every Sunday and went to church and claimed to be a Christian.

Then all of a sudden, the law not says to those slaves who endured all of the broken homes and families pulled apart at the seam: “you’re free now- you are no longer my responsibility. Fend for yourselves”. These people had no education, most couldn’t read or write and had very basic math skills other then counting to 100. Those issues were never addressed during reconstruction and persisted for many years even after the civil rights years and as a result those issues are still at the forefront in 2014. It was an institution that was just as traumatic for whites as it was for blacks, because those who were against the poor treatment of a people, were under duress and could not speak up about it if your work or living depended on that white master. There should have been a teaching program that gathered both blacks and whites together and taught all people how to be a true US citizen, how to get along and encourage all involved to speak about the event and verbalize their feelings and to listen intently to what is said and what is not said. That if you rush to judgment or want to just blow over it and forget what happened, we will not ever progress pass the hurt and pain.

But that didn’t happen; however, it’s not too late. My plan of care would be for those interested to join me in having this conversation officially, before this country tears itself apart or worse end up in another civil war. We already have this 2 party system that has dominated American politics to the point that nothing can get done. We need to stop addressing symptoms and address the problem.

May. 22 2014 04:54 PM
R. Davis

The separation of Church and State is not a constitutional principle. What the Constitution does say is that Congress is not permitted to prefer one religion over another or prohibit the free exercise of one's religion. Marriage as an institution did not arrive with the advent of Christianity and is religiously specific. Other non-Christian cultures have marriage between a man and a woman. Atheists get married as well. One of the natural bi-products of a marriage is the procreation and rearing of children. A situation which does not exist in a same gender union. Humans have coupled in this fashion since our inception. The high divorce rate is a recent phenomenon. Divorce happens in most cases because of a lack of will on the parties to resolve differences which exist between them. Dr. Carson is not against same-sex marriage. He is suggesting creating a mechanism that would give gays the same rights that exist in a marriage.

May. 22 2014 04:51 PM
tom LI

Also - the idea that anyone can have their health care in their own hands in this nation, under the pre-ACA environment, or a dismantled one - shows Dr Casons naivete.

Without health insurance there's nothing in a persons hands to handle. Their well-being becomes a cr/p-shoot at best.

The ACA is but the first (and long overdue) step. Its not the end of the slow (glacial) move in the US to some form of a public health care system.

The Market will not provide. The Market will not swoop in like the God the the GOP thinks it is and provide these things like this for the citizenry. It never has, and it never will. It cares not for the citizenry's health, or much else that matters in a person's life.

May. 22 2014 04:44 PM
Robert Thomas from Santa Clara

The Republican Party is in its death throws. We're watching it die.

When a once-powerful organism is dying, it will exhibit chaotic behavior.

This explains this spectacle.

May. 22 2014 04:38 PM

For the doctor to compare membership by black people in the pre voting and civil rights act republican party with membership in the current, post southern strategy gop shows a willful ignorance or disingenuous disregard of history.

May. 22 2014 04:36 PM
tom LI

I was insulted by the childish math analogy. That aside, I'm also frustrated by any show host, radio or Tv, etc, who will not ask the most important Q. (IMO)

What exactly (stress exactly and hold the interviewee to the fire on it) what exactly is the doomsday scenario that You see, should homosexuals be allowed to be legally married?

They all have one, no matter their race, political allegiances, Religion, etc, they all have a doomsday scenario that they think will be triggered should we cross this Marriage Redefinition threshold. And its there that their arguments can be most properly addressed and dismantled.

Its not a hard Q to ask, but for some reason, no one ever asks it.

May. 22 2014 04:20 PM
Robert Thomas from Santa Clara

Sad.

May. 22 2014 04:20 PM

Watch how Ben Carson, in his own words, "doesn't" compare homosexuality to pedophilia and bestiality in his video.

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/03/27/ben-carson-on-fox-no-group-be-they-gays-nambla/193282

May. 22 2014 04:12 PM
Maxdigital from Palo Alto

The doctor lists prominant black Americans who were Republicans. The host points out the old Republican party was very different than today's. The doctor responds by saing the Democrat party is also different today, for example JFK would be tarred and feathered today for his challenge:Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. My good doctor, that challenge is more relevant and needed today than ever before with the country devolving into a total me-first culture.

May. 22 2014 04:10 PM

Yet another glaring example of an individual who has been educated beyond his capacity for intelligence. Ben Carson maybe a brain surgeon (which is essentially a highly technical skill), but he clearly has little capacity for complex problem solving.

This interview illustrates how someone can be highly accomplished in one area and a complete dribbling moron in every other.

What fool would fall for this crap? He sounds retarded.

May. 22 2014 04:05 PM
Kris Harbold from Brooklyn, NY

At least if you're going to try to use science/math to make a metaphor for same-sex marriage use something like the structure of an atom (even though still flawed).

Same-sex marriage is like a new scientist coming along and saying "my research has shown an atom actually works like this". The older scientists disagree with him, but he insists his research is correct. Years and many other scientific experiments later, the understanding of the structure of an atom changes to be more consistent with the new findings. Some "scientists"/the public who for whatever reason refuse to believe/understand the finding will still insist that the new understanding is wrong.

May. 22 2014 04:01 PM
Brian from San Jose

Ignorance on steroids !.............scary and dangerous

May. 22 2014 03:59 PM
Herb from Westchester

Dr. Carson has devolved in interesting ways. I remember -- and we're going back 20 years -- when he used to be sane. He's gone off the deep end and become an irrelevancy.

May. 22 2014 03:57 PM
Andy Goldberg from san jose

It is as if an old group of 'mathematicians' said, 13 is an evil number. And if you disagree you are a mathophobe.

May. 22 2014 03:53 PM
VisitorChris

Another intellectual ass kicking by Dr. Ben Carson. Thank you for schooling the liberal audience and the left wing, bigot host. Wonderful information that could help so many who are enabled by the liberal machine that ruins this country everyday. Thank you Dr. Carson

May. 22 2014 03:51 PM
VisitorChris

Another intellectual ass kicking by Dr. Ben Carson. Thank you for schooling the liberal audience and the left wing, bigot host. Wonderful information that could help so many who are enabled by the liberal machine that ruins this country everyday. Thank you Dr. Carson

May. 22 2014 03:51 PM

I have to say that I agree with Stanislav Fritz. Throughout history, the one thing that is constant about marriage is that people got married for lots of different reason other than love, and before the Christians after Jesus and his apostles died (pretty much everybody living at and around the Mediterranean) never had the concept of gay or straight as people see it today. They understood weak/ strong, femine/ masculine, dominate/subordinate or submissive. That never changed until Christian teachings changed the definition of marriage. So that make's the origins of the institution of marriage more a religious concept. It stands to reason that if we in the US believe in the separation of church and state the definition of marriage falls under that opinion.
Also, opponents of gay marriage act as if gays are going to be responsible for giving marriage a bad name. Have they forgotten that marriage already has a bad name? Statistics show that over 50% of all marriages end in divorce. Infidelity, money problems, verbal, physical and sexual abuse are just some of the primary reasons for marriages ending in divorce; so much so that many young people no longer value the idea of getting married except for legal and financial benefits of marriage. This takes me to the primary reason that most all of the homosexual people I know ever considered getting married. Any discussions of civil unions need to include all of the full legal rights and protections that married couples get, and so far that is not happening.
As a single person who may or may not ever get married, that puts most of my allegiances on the side of gay marriage. Why should others get all of these tax deductions and protections just because they are married? All around, I pay more taxes in the long run than those married do, and it's people like us who have kept the economy moving after the recession of 2008 began: going on vacations, airline tickets, hotel stays, local entertainment, etc all because my money isn't tied up in having to care for spouse and children. Also, since marriages seem to be more a financial arrangement in the US, why shouldn’t I get married to my male best friend to prevent having to pay penalties on property or wealth in the event of my death?
So this notion that we should go by the definition of marriage that has always existed does not hold water and those who truly appreciate the institution of marriage should focused on extolling the virtues or the institution instead of preventing others from entering into it.

May. 22 2014 03:39 PM
Ezrazoram from TX

Wow, lots of hostility here. Apparently you are all racists.

May. 22 2014 03:03 PM
Steve MacIntyre

Man, can this guy pack-in the logical fallacies and specious reasoning!

I agree with others who have posted their surprise at John Hockenberry's tameness in this interview.

May. 22 2014 02:59 PM
Stanislav Fritz

I am embarrassed that I went to Johns Hopkins, after hearing this interview. Luckily, Dr. Carson was not teaching. But, I am also disappointed that Mr. Hockenberry was so tame in not calling Dr. Carson on his complete lack of understanding or simile, metaphor and analogy (and history).

Changing the definition of marriage is like changing math from 2+2=4 to 2+2=5 OMG. Thank god this surgeon never operated on me!

Whether you are for, or against, gay marriage, surely you can laugh out loud at this analogy!

Why didn't we hear something about how the definition of marriage in this nation used to exclude two races? If the definition is immutable, what about that? If Dr. Carson is going to claim thousands of years of unchanging definition than there is only ONE THING that has not changed over thousands of years. That one thing is that the LEGAL definition of marriage and the RELIGIOUS definition of marriage almost never agreed. Yet, they were both called marriage. Thank god for those differences, or you would have only men able to determine when a divorce was appropriate, the punishment for infidelity would be different for men and women, the women would all be obeying the men and on and on.

Times change and the first thing that changes is the LEGAL definition. And yet, 2+2 still equals 4 and is not a social construct the way marriage is and I still want any medical doctor touching me to understand that. Thankfully, he is retired.

May. 22 2014 02:32 PM
d nova

*not

May. 22 2014 02:08 PM
Terrance from Detroit

Did anyone bother to tell Dr. Carson that the ACA is one of the laws of the land as well? LOL.

May. 22 2014 02:06 PM
d nova

carson says definition of marriage has no changed in millennia. oh, yeah? check this out: http://theweek.com/article/index/228541/how-marriage-has-changed-over-centuries

May. 22 2014 02:04 PM
JERRY HARRIS from portland, oregon

Carson's math is faulty.
GLBT's equation is not 2+2=5,it's 1+1=2.

May. 22 2014 01:08 PM
Charles

I see I am not the only listener to have the same reaction to this interview; that John Hockenberry's attitude toward the guest was transparently hostile.

No one imagines that John Hockenberry would ever treat political figures from the progressive/left like this.

And that is what we all have come to expect, across the full array of NPR programs but especially the so-called "viewpoint" programs from the large affiliates like WHYY, WNYC and WGBH. You know exactly who I am talking about. The liberal hosts and producers at The Takeaway, Fresh Air, Tell Me More (an NPR program -- now on the cancellation list), On the Media, etc., etc. There is no public radio program that I can think of, that would be a natural home for a Dr. Ben Carson.

May. 22 2014 01:05 PM
Mike from Seattle from Seattle, Washington

If Dr. Carson wants to sway people to his argument, he should first chose metaphors which make sense and are relevant to one another. Equating a definition of marriage to a mathematical equation is absurd in the extreme. The sum of 2 + 2 is definite, provable, and is not a matter of opinion, viewpoint, or faith; the rightness or wrongness of same-sex marriage is neither definite nor provable, and is totally a matter of viewpoint, faith, and opinion.

Perhaps Dr. Carson should remain in the OR.

May. 22 2014 01:03 PM
A. Rex from Austin

Dr. Carson's analogy of the 'mathaphobe' is a tortured as his assertion that creating a 'separate by equal' status for same sex couples. I can prove to you empirically that 2+2=4, the 'definition' of marriage is a man-made concept.

May. 22 2014 12:58 PM
Larry Fisher from Brooklyn, N.Y.

Next!

May. 22 2014 12:56 PM
Austin

Man, this guy is gross. I'm so sick and tired of hearing people talking against homosexuality, same-sex marriage, etc. If you are going to be a hateful bigot, at least bottle it up inside your sad, intolerant mind. God damn.

May. 22 2014 12:56 PM
C. Kule from Tunkhannock, PA

Carson does exactly as he decries. He misstates history as regards what we refer to as marriage. He takes a defensive position as to his own conservatism. He identifies B.T. Washington, G.W. Carver and Frederick Douglass as Republicans when that very name has been misapplied to bigotry. He refers to JFK as a conservative Republican -- the very last thing President Kennedy could every have been. One's disapppointment in Dr. Carson deepens every time he speaks. He is, in short, the next in line of Justice Thomas and Secretary Rice -- a success in his own mind.

May. 22 2014 12:08 PM
John

Your content, bias, dislike against Dr. Carson was palpable even in the radio. The left media really hates this guy don't you? A black, articulate, intelligent, republican. You can't stand it!

May. 22 2014 11:47 AM
Tali Wolder

I cannot abide ignorance. Carson believes allowing gay marriage is changing an acceptable institution that has been unchanged for millenia. Obviously he is not too clued up on history, used to be 12 year olds could get married, men could have 20 wives and woman were traded in marriage for livestock. Unless I'm mistaken, marriage has undergone a number of legislative changes through the ages. Seems that Carson is only willing to accept changes that suit his narrow minded view of what is socially acceptable. If he's a purist who does not want the original concept if marriage to change then he should have no problem marrying off his 8 year old daughter or granddaughter to a 40 year old with 4 wives who will offer 5 chickens and a goat in exchange for the girl.

May. 22 2014 10:17 AM

I can agree with Dr. Carson to an extent. I think I agree more with Larry Elder, who I once heard say that gays should serve openly in the military.
Yet Dr. Carson was someone who was part of the medical establishment. It seems that though he is against "Obamacare" he would have ties to the pharmaceutical and medical industries.

It seems he would be against a better definition of patient rights which should include the right to informed consent which is lacking in a majority of medical procedures. Also there should be more transparency in organ donation. People are only told to sign up to "give the gift of life" but they are not told that doctors intend to use those organs to make money .

Who addresses these such issues?

May. 22 2014 10:07 AM
Jon from New York

Dr. Carson insists he upholds the law of the land. A couple hundred years ago, he would have been a slave. So by his logic, that should have been upheld, correct?

May. 22 2014 09:56 AM

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