Ron Paul's Youth Appeal

Friday, January 06, 2012

Supporters of republican presidential hopeful U.S. Rep Ron Paul (R-TX) wear t-shirts that spell out 'PAUL' during a campaign stop Supporters of Ron Paul wear t-shirts that spell out 'PAUL' during a campaign stop. (Justin Sullivan/Getty)

With neatly combed white hair, conservatively cut suits, and solid military service, Ron Paul may not seen like the fiery political outsider that all the kids are rallying around. But looking ahead to the New Hampshire primaries, pollster John Zogby says "Ron Paul gets 35 percent of Independents and 54 percent of 18 to 29 year olds." Many young voters in this age group are drawn to Paul's hard-line libertarian politics, particularly his anti-war stance.

Kathryn DeLong is chapter leader of Youth for Ron Paul at SUNY Buffalo. Also joining the program is Nick Murray, chapter leader of Youth for Ron Paul at University of New Hampshire. They discuss why they are die-hard Paul supporters.

Guests:

Kathryn DeLong and Nick Murray

Produced by:

Mythili Rao

Comments [29]

anna from new york

OK, I actually went to this Kathryn's website. Yes, she is an idiot, functioning on the level of slogans (always the same - limited range). No, concept of "society," no concept of structural problems, and, of course, no knowledge of history.
Shouldn't there be some admission requirements, or state system has none?

Jan. 11 2012 10:40 AM
anna from new york

John, from Pennsylvania.
I actually have questions for you.
You want me to compare Paul's policies to Hitler's policies. Fine.
Now questions:
Are you sure that Hitler's policies remained the same? Should I compare Ron Paul to Hitler the prisoner (who according to another wit was controlling the media at that time); Hitler the Chancellor, Hitler the Fuehrer? Hitler in 1933? Hitler in 1945? etc.
Or should I wait for Paul's victory (as some of the wits here hope) and the real material for comparisons of Fuehrers. I doubt, however, that your dreams will come true - it's still a different country.
Now, you imagine that I read you question, hop on a plane, go to Germany, do some serious studies in German of course ... to respond to some idiotic and manipulative question on some NPR forum.
This what happens when the population is illiterate and memorizes several tropes only: spelling is the most important (so says "How to Write ...") talk about policies only (yeah, life is simple for those who didn't an hour of history in their lives), etc.

Jan. 11 2012 10:24 AM
Ann from CT

I heard John talk about a voter who voted for Obama in 2008 but was going to vote for Ron Paul but if Paul didn't get the nomination then he would vote for Obama. Obama/Ron Paul? Ideologically this just doesn't add up? How do you explain this? I can't. I guess it is a cult of personality thing but I don't get it. Ron Paul wants to eliminate the gov't, how's that going to work?

Jan. 10 2012 09:03 AM
Charles

I wonder what Ron Paul's position is, on federal funding of student loans and grants?

Jan. 09 2012 10:12 AM
John from PA

@anne
Given your expertise in history and your ability with languages, what specific historic parallels do you see between Hitler's policies and Ron Paul's policies? What similar trends do you see? You seem to have a great interest in German history. Is German one of your many languages?

Jan. 07 2012 07:05 PM
anna from new york

Several comments (particularly that of forrest and Coco) have confirmed what I said in the comment. We're dealing with illiterate group of people TOTALLY ignorant of history, TOTALLY insensitive to demagoguery and functioning on the level of sloganeering. It's not surprising if their food was "Who Moved my Cheese" and "How to Write Manipulative Memos."
Our defender of alternative media and an expert in history (forrest)never heard of WEIMAR Republic and presented an idiotic clip about Hitler gaining power (in WEIMAR Republic by controlling state media). Our Coco offered something only comedians can use.
We are in trouble, people.

Jan. 07 2012 08:45 AM
buckle from Manchester

The draft dodger generation in NH who are voting Romney must be the most moronic in America's history and certainly the most discusting.

Jan. 07 2012 08:38 AM
bstewart888

The Brand New Ron Paul ad attacking Rick Santorum!
http://www.voteforronpaul2012.com/videos/Ron-Paul-Ad-Rick-Santorum-A-Record-of-Betrayal-official-campaign-ad.php

Jan. 07 2012 06:33 AM
whatever5678

go ron go!

Can't beat this with a wooden stick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

Jan. 06 2012 11:35 PM
anna from New York

"To equate Ron Paul to Nazi Germany cheapens what happen to my families in Eastern Europe and in frankly offensive. He is hardly Hitler, he is a kind of American that tells it like it is - something we use to like, but have recently decided offends us. Something I blame on my parents generations (the so-called hippies) who think anything that confronts their selfish status quo is offensive."
Nathan, I've returned to respond again to your comment. The real tragedy (in addition to what happen in Europe) that grandchildren of victims don't know how horrible and how dangerous Ron Paul is. Yes, you can blame your parents for raising a moron.

Jan. 06 2012 07:09 PM
anna from new york

Ben, thank you, but I think you're offering your interpretation, not a translation. Yes, it's difficult to translate empty propaganda. If I understand it correctly, Coco is saying the Paul is just wonderful, wonderful and that wonderful, wonderful youth is attracted to his wonderfullness. Yes, there is no problem with both the "gentleman" and his admirers. Sure.

Jan. 06 2012 04:24 PM
Ben from Buffalo

Anna, I believe Coco is saying a candidate's voting record is the best indicator of what they will do if elected, as opposed to what they might say in speeches.

Jan. 06 2012 04:06 PM
anna from new york

Can someone translate what Coco said in her Orwellian into something ... acceptable?

Jan. 06 2012 03:52 PM
Coco in SD from California

It all boils down to patterns of behavior. Behavior reflects people's underlying beliefs and philosophies. Run Ron Paul's behavior against the patterns of behavior displayed by all the other contenders---including President Obama, and you will begin to see a life that exhibits a strict adherence to the philosophies of freedom, peace and non-violation. I think it becomes quite apparent why Ron Paul resonates with a lot of youth. he represents those values and philosophies that speak to a person's (especially the young)desire to express themselves according to their nature.

Jan. 06 2012 03:22 PM
Charles

Okay; I am going to give The Takeaway its well-earned props on this story.

Just because a goofy kid went from being an Obama supporter to a Ron Paul campaign worker (?!) in the space of three years does not reflect badly on The Takeaway. Let's give John Hockenberry the praise he deserves, for having asked the right questions of an interesting political sub-group (the Ron Paul Youth vote).

John surfaced the right issue; a simple direct question, which unearthed the breathtaking answer -- that yes indeed a Ron Paul supporter got there, after having supported Barack Obama, way back in 2008. That voter is not a Republican.

Jan. 06 2012 03:19 PM
anna from new york

"attitude that led people into the maw of Hitler who was extremely popular when he was elected due to his state controlled media, The "alternative media" was relatively unavailable before the internet."

"Hitler was popular ... due to HIS state controlled media." So, you are saying that he controlled media before his election? HMMM. And alternative media (international or local) didn't exist. HMMM.
Look, this seems to be alternative media - The Dearborn Independent. There were many more others.
I am always "impressed by some Americans to serve what I call "history soup."
You can't do this, forrest.

Jan. 06 2012 01:53 PM
anna from new york

"Paul supporters are useful because now Obama supporters know what they sounded like in 2008.
Zealous devotion to a political personality is kind of disconcerting, isn't it?"
Listener, I think we disagree on many issues, but I would accept this one point of view. Actually, I was making a similar point (in a ridiculously elaborate way)

Jan. 06 2012 01:31 PM
anna from new york

"To equate Ron Paul to Nazi Germany cheapens what happen to my families in Eastern Europe and in frankly offensive. He is hardly Hitler, he is a kind of American that tells it like it is - something we use to like, but have recently decided offends us"
Several things. I didn't exactly compare him to Hitler and most certainly I didn't compare Obama to Hitler. My stress was on senseless "youth" totally insensitive to demagoguery and sloganeering. Originally I wanted to list all "wonderful" Jugends of the recent past, "guards," pioneers, etc., but thought it would be to complicated. Yes, youth is often ignorant and can be easily manipulated, and the 20th century demonstrated it well - whether in Germany or Stalin's Russia and Mao's China.
Ron Paul is pretty bad, enough to be upset by the fact that he has so many supporters. Whether "he tells like it is" or is a master manipulator is obviously a matter of opinion.
And lastly, Ron Paul is obviously still alive and has some future in front of him (hopefully not at our expense), unlike Hitler who (I am pretty sure) is firmly dead.

Jan. 06 2012 01:28 PM
anna from new york

"forest from california"
I deliberately didn't introduce myself, expecting some similar reaction.
OK, let's go. Sorry to inform you, but English is NOT the only language in the world. Actually, there are at least some seven languages, since yes, English is indeed my 7th language in order of acquisition.
Now, I am multi-lingual (obviously), multicultural (true) and "multidegreed" (also true) and my degrees includes a master's in HISTORY and a doctorate in a different area.
Yes, this young woman can function on the level of platitudes only and yes, there are some very bad alternative media.
Any questions, Forest?

Jan. 06 2012 01:08 PM
RJ from Prospect Hts

Paul's Web site question on health care--"Why should anyone be forced to subsidize the medical care of others? Very few individuals would personally assault their neighbors at gunpoint and steal thousands of dollars to pay for their own medical needs. How could any freedom loving person agree to delegate such criminal acts to the government by supporting a compulsory health insurance system?"--is a perfect example. There are pragmatic answers: 1) If during the campaign in New Hampshire you sneeze at my door, and I get sick; should I come find you and have you arrested for the criminal act of releasing germs in my home? Or should we all be part of a health care system that assumes we physically flawed human beings will all get sick at some time or another makes it in all of our best interests to have universal health care.

2) Regardless of the Obama plan, we have been paying for wildly expensive--free market-caused--health care for others for years. For years the insurance companies and others have been allowed to raise prices with only pro forma oversight--here in NY insurance companies were allowed to raise their rates *before* their statutory approval by the state insurance department (because the public did not adequately oversee their elected representatives and their appointees), and they were not changed. So since so many have not been able to afford the care itself or the insurance, they wait and use only expensive, public emergency rooms.

Unless, of course, you want to privately pay for sanitation companies to pick up the decomposing bodies on the street or in your apartment building that would result from the deaths of those not getting care.

3) Then, of course, there is the moral question. Do I have to go into that? Do these idealists really want the poor, disabled, and elderly to barely survive without medical care?

Idealism is wonderful--energizing, educating, compelling. But reality is an essential for survival, and the idealistic young (as well as the frustrated olders) who have gone to the Ron Paul corner should think deeply about the consequences of his policies.

Jan. 06 2012 12:34 PM
RJ from Prospect Hts

His philosophy is based on the premise that individualism is above all the ideal--that we each make it on our own (witness his comment at the debate about the "freedom" to die rather than be mandated to have health insurance). Unless all of his followers plan to pick their own cotton, spin their own yarn, weave their own cloth, and sew their own clothes--not to mention, grow, till, and pick their own crops--we are all intimately, socially connected and cannot--constitutionally (as human beings, not Constitutionally)--survive without others, forming a community. A community that is now, with the help of the technology many of the young love, international.

Jan. 06 2012 12:33 PM
RJ from Prospect Hts

I understand why idealists would move from one candidate (Barack Obama) whose calls were powerful but not realized to another. What I don't understand is how they can 1) not see that there is much more to being president than the ideals that are espoused, and 2) that Ron Paul's libertarian philosophy overall is dangerous, and simply wrong.

Jan. 06 2012 12:31 PM
listener

Paul supporters are useful because now Obama supporters know what they sounded like in 2008.
Zealous devotion to a political personality is kind of disconcerting, isn't it?

Jan. 06 2012 12:25 PM
forest from california

"anna from new york" says Kathryn only uses platitudes or "whatever they". Facts are not platitudes Anna. Judging from your statements and your inability to form coherent sentences, you are one of the last people who should be disparaging others for being illiterate.

Your problem is you do NOT research your position from alternative media (ironically you are on a website of "alternative media") and you are guilty of exactly the type of attitude that led people into the maw of Hitler who was extremely popular when he was elected due to his state controlled media, The "alternative media" was relatively unavailable before the internet. Thus, "anna from new york", you are the "Neo-Nazi" and are a danger to society.

I don't think you could have made a better case to deride yourself in your attempt to deride Kathryn.

Jan. 06 2012 11:06 AM
Nathan from Hoboken, NJ

The problems we face are big, it will take bold and radical thinking to solve. Our current leadership landscape is so underwhelming and uninspiring. It makes no difference how he stands on a particular item, because we have had 50 years of politicians that say they stand for something and then do nothing. To equate Ron Paul to Nazi Germany cheapens what happen to my families in Eastern Europe and in frankly offensive. He is hardly Hitler, he is a kind of American that tells it like it is - something we use to like, but have recently decided offends us. Something I blame on my parents generations (the so-called hippies) who think anything that confronts their selfish status quo is offensive.

Jan. 06 2012 10:26 AM
Ron from Berkley, MI

I never understood how a Libertarian could be against the gay marriage and a woman's right to choose abortion. It seems that marriage shouldn't be a gov't issue nor should abortion rights.

Jan. 06 2012 09:53 AM
Peg from Southern Tier NY

Young people - please address Ron Paul's positions on the environment and racism.

Jan. 06 2012 09:25 AM
anna from new york

This Kathryn seems to be a perfect Leader for the present day Jugend - illiterate, brainwashed demagogue, able to function on the level of platitudes only.

Jan. 06 2012 08:54 AM
anna from new york

Clearly we have now some Paul's Jugend, as we had five years ago Obama's Jugend. Ah, partly it's the same Jugend - illiterate, brainwashed, able to function on the level of slogans only ("Unity, change, etc" or Paul's slogans - whatever they), utterly deprived of knowledge of history and any ability to think. This idiotic girl from New Hampshire (?) who kept repeating platitudes about alternative media is a perfect example. Not a single word she said isn't a platitude. Can someone explain to her (slowly) that there can be a problem with alternative media and listening to any media (or anything/anybody else) still requires knowledge, understanding and ability to analyze.
I have a friend who (shamefully much older than this Judend) is now packing for a neo-Nazi camp (Kampf?) somewhere in South California after a decade of listening to all media, particularly alternative, as a responsibilities free housewife.
Not so long ago, Europe lost dozens of millions of people ... just because some Jugend was shaped by alternative media.

Jan. 06 2012 08:51 AM

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