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Takeaway Political Director Andrea Bernstein blogs from the Democratic primary campaign trail in Indiana

By Andrea Bernstein

Wednesday, April 30 2008

Indiana is the first big state since Missouri to be a big question mark — and the first one with so much attention paid to it since Iowa or New Hampshire. I'll be traveling the state for three days, roughly driving down I-65 from Gary to the border of Louisville, stopping in at diners and gathering places to talk to Hoosiers about what's on their mind as this key election rapidly approaches.

The state of Indiana is a complex mix — from old steel mill towns to areas dominated by big universities, from the industrial midwest down to the south. It's full of the blacks and middle and upper-income whites who tend to like Obama, and of the working class whites who've been resonating more and more to Hillary later. And it's sandwiched between Illinois, where Obama one with eighty percent, and Ohio, where Hillary Clinton's ten point victory arguably resuscitated her campaign last month.

Watch a slide show of Andrea's pictures from Indiana on Flickr.


May 7 at 9:32AM

Well, we end the North Carolina and Indiana campaigns where they began — the polls exactly reflect the race right after Pennsylvania. Wright, the gas-tax holiday issue — Obama seems to have weathered 'em. Makes it that much harder for Clinton to argue to the supers that he will fold like a cheap card table in the fall. However, when I was in Gary last week, African-American voters there told me they’d vote for Clinton if Obama wasn’t in the race. But in the south (which is, for all practical purposes, the South), the white working class voters we’ve heard so much about were pretty clear about not voting for Obama. So that remains an issue for him.

So... how did Clinton and Obama do in the counties in Indiana I visited? Lake county (the one we were all waiting for last night) went for Obama, about 66,000 vote to 53,000. That includes Gary, whose population is virtually all African-American. But the margin wasn’t gigantic, suggesting the largely white Chicago suburbs around Gary (pop. 84,000) tilted to Clinton. I was there in Valparaiso, at the Round the Clock — McCain country — but the white Dems were some of the most deeply troubled by the Wright affair (the overwhelming majority of those who said Wright affected their decision voted for Clinton, according to an Associated Press exit poll. In Tippecanoe and Monroe counties, homes to Purdue and Indiana University, respectively, Obama won with 60 and 66 percent of the vote. However, two interesting factoids: I was in Jeffersonville and the surrounding rural counties on Thursday — very, very southern. Those counties went for Clinton, but her margins, while healthy, weren’t overwhelming like they were in some Pa. counties, where she trounced him four to one. So that would suggest the gas-tax holiday didn’t gin up the vote for her there.

AND, she lost, handily, in the Indy suburbs. When I was there, in the new economy town of Carmel, there were lots of people talking (favorably) about her experience. I thought she might win in these areas, like she did in Silicon Valley. But I was there BEFORE Obama went up on the air with his commercial accusing her of pandering on the gas tax issue, and before her Stephanopoulos appearance where she damned economists. I’m wondering if she lost some elites (whom she called elitists, and not approvingly) because of this.

Further evidence: On the question who’s the most like you, Obama WON in Indiana, slayed in North Carolina.


May 2 at 8:06AM

Jeffersonville, Ind.

Jeffersonville's on the Ohio River just across from Louisville, Ky. The town has a few stately homes with mile-long, perfectly manicured lawns sloping down to the gorgeous, wide river, but most of the houses are modest one-story affairs. If you have any doubts that I'm in the South, listen to the voices at the top of the show segment from Friday morning. It's as if, south of Indianapolis, someone flicked a switch.

It was a beautiful evening yesterday in Jeffersonville, lots of folks hanging out in front of the historic Third Base bar, others helping themselves to fried chicken and mashed potatoes at Ann's Cafeteria just up the street. Topics of conversation: the Kentucky Derby (it's tomorrow) and the price of fuel.

Mixed reaction to Clinton and McCain's proposal for a gas tax holiday. "A holiday?" one 'siding and gutter' man asked me. "As in one day?" When I explained the proposal was for the whole summer, he came back with "so we'll pay in the winter. That sucks." But most were for it, pointing out they know people who are cutting back on their driving (which is a goal of both Democrats' environmental proposals, btw) because of the price of gas. "People just can't afford it," one woman told me.

Conflicting signs for the Democrats in the fall. I met lots of Republicans who were upset with Bush on the war, but they liked the Democrats even less. "A sad situation," as one one told me, concluding she'd probably vote for McCain because she didn't want "eight more years" of the Clintons and wouldn't even consider Obama. Another said the Dems should just get out "their hammer and sickle." On the other hand, there were a couple of Republicans surprised to find themselves thinking about Hillary Clinton (just as, in Indianapolis and Carmel, some Republicans were leaning to Obama.)

In most states, Obama's steadily picked up steam as voters get to know him, with the brakes put on only in the closing days of the race. But the whole Rev. Wright affair froze this race about a week ago. Dems are now mulling Obama, maybe he isn't experienced enough.

We'll see what the weekend brings.


May 1 at 5:41PM

Jeffersonville, Ind.

I'm in Jeffersonville, watching Hillary Clinton, who's joined here by Bobby Kennedy Jr. He's accusing some members of his family of making "the wrong choice." Clinton is talking about "jobs, jobs, jobs." I see a banner here that I haven't seen before: "standing up for jobs, standing up for you." When I drove out of Bloomington, I drove into the South. Nightcrawlers and Red Wigglers in the cooler at the convenience store, hot relish at the roadside stand. Guys with long beards (the one at Gnaw Bone Sorghum Mill said, with no hesitation, that he's for Clinton). A serious twang in people's voices. (Hillary's too.) She's getting a rise out of the crowd now, saying she's going to push for a vote on her gas tax holiday proposal, which she's casting as getting the oil companies to pay what "hard pressed" Americans are paying for now. "I want to know (of her fellow members of Congress), are they with us or against us?"


May 1 at 10:36AM

Bloomington, Ind.

Just finished up breakfast at the Runcible Spoon, which my hotel clerk described to me as a "Bohemian" place. Yup. Highlights were fresh-cut fresh fruit and apple butter. The place was filling up with students and ex-students hanging out inside next to shelves of books and outside on what is shaping up to be a perfect spring day. But the flush on their faces was the afterglow from the Obama speech last night, which was still making them smile. "Awesome," said one graduate, "just awesome." The youth vote is important in this state — the university towns are big population centers, and they heavily favor Obama.

One area where Obama didn't do as well as might be expected was Carmel, an Indianapolis suburb. Carmel is new economy — tech, insurance, health care. Parts of the town are so new that statues of shoppers and benchwarmers are taking the place of real people. The area has voted heavily Republican, but those residents who are voting Democrat seem to be tilting to Clinton on the "experience" question. That's interesting because higher income whites (those who are Democrats) usually lean to Obama. This same phenomenon was at work in Silicon Valley. Much of the San Francisco Bay area went for Obama — but not the counties of Santa Clara and San Mateo. Governors in all sorts of states, red and blue, are trying to set up these tech corridors. Indiana's a red state, but what happens to its politics when voters from the coasts come to regions like Carmel? What happens to the electoral college map? Worth watching.

NB — I know my chats with voters aren't scientific. So let's keep an eye on Hamilton County Tuesday night and see whether it goes Clinton or Obama (and find out how many Democrats vote there, period.)

I'm off to Jeffersonville, just over the river from Louisville to see Hillary Clinton. More later.


April 30 at 11:44PM

Bloomington, Ind.

Just left Indiana University, where a huge traffic jam leaving the assembly hall delayed my filing by nearly an hour. Obama gave as energetic an address as he ever has, hitting all his favorite themes — his "cousin" Dick Cheney won't be on the ballot in the fall, he wants to "close Guantanamo," he was never for the war in Iraq. But he added some twists. The person you want to answer the phone at 3 a.m. is the one who had the judgment to oppose the war in the first place. The proposed gas holiday is a "McCain-Clinton proposal." Those who question his love of his country (a byproduct of one of the Wright speeches) don't understand his Kansas roots, his modest upbringing, his "only in America" story. That's become a tough issue here in Indiana — there wasn't a single person I spoke to today who hadn't heard of Wright, and many brought him up, unprompted. As for the "gas tax holiday" proposal — he's against it, though many voters have been telling me they're for it, even in the economically prosperous Carmel. We don't need "gimmicks," Obama said. We need "real solutions." (That's a Clinton line, btw, "we need real solutions, not speeches." Well, the students at IU were smitten, as students everywhere are, and ginning up their turnout is key to Obama success in Indiana.

April 30 at 3:12PM

Indianapolis, Ind.; Carmel, Ind.

Just finished hearing Obama’s “discussion with working families” in Garfield Park in the southern park of Indianapolis. It was a pretty quiet event, and it’s hard to gauge whether the issues raised are representative since there are always preselected crowds at these types of events. But Obama did go out of his way to discuss his — and Michelle’s — “modest” roots, and to note the troubles faced by families trying to finance college with home equity loans. There were questions on education, health care and the treatment of reservists.

He WAS speaking in a relatively prosperous economic zone — I just finished speaking to lunchtime office workers in downtown Indy, and their concerns DID range off the economy and on to the environment. A bit.

Earlier, I was in Carmel (that’s pronounced like the candy, not the coastal town in California). It’s as new as Gary is old. Lots of brand new low-rise office buildings filled with insurance companies, similar in appearance to Silicon Valley. Semi-“new-urbanist” developments are popping up all over. Lots of townhouses with stoops, though all have garages in the back, convenient for car trips to the strip malls which seem to have most of the retail opportunities. Spent some time in a Kroger’s parking lot (there aren’t too many places with high volumes of voters in Carmel), and it seems like it’s certainly more conservative here than in the actual urban Indianapolis. However, there were Democrats, and many were for Clinton, on the “experience” argument. I’m going back to check it out later, and I’ll have some more on the show tomorrow on Carmel.


April 30 at 9:04AM

Lafayette, Ind.

I'm in the Sunrise diner, now, in downtown Lafayette. In between the orders for bacon and eggs over easy, and sausage and cheese omelette specials, there's lots of buzz at the tables around me about the election — a booth of laywers fretting that Rev. Wright will dominate the television campaign in the fall. A couple of farmers over at a two-top, one ribbing the other: "Made up your mind yet? You voting for Obama? Barack Hussein Obama?" The later was a not-so-nice reference to Obama's middle name, which has come up in some (later critiqued) Republican references to the Democratic frontrunner. Though Obama does have a lot of support in this region, fueled by the students at Purdue and the knowledge workers the university produces, there also some skeptics as you move down the economic ladder among whites about his experience. But that isn't across the board. Yesterday in Valparaiso, I met a retired factory worker, a Republican, who's having a pretty hard time eliminating 16 years of Republican Clinton-bashing from his mind. He's for Obama — "because he's fresh."


April 30 at 9:04AM

Lafayette, Ind.; West Lafayette, Ind.

I ended Day One at the Bistro 501 in Lafayette, where Pinotage and duck breast with orange risotto were featured items. The restaurant — in Lafayette's downtown, next to the government building clearly built in an age when the architecture matched its soaring aspirations — was full of Purdue University professionals, as well as management from nearby Eli Lilly and Subaru plants. New economy to Gary's old. These large university towns like Lafayette and Bloomington are probably one of the biggest reasons that Indiana won't be another Ohio for Obama.


April 30 at 6:59 AM

Gary, Ind.; Valparaiso, Ind.; Carmel, Ind.

Leaving Gary's Coney Island restaurant, I drove south on SR 30 to Valparaiso. The boarded-up storefronts gave way to suburban strip malls, the small homes turned into late 20th century suburban homes, and then to farms. I stopped in Round The Clock Family Restaurant in Valparaiso. There were lots of Republicans in this area, many of them dissatisfied with McCain — his age came up a lot — but neither were they happy with Clinton or Obama. The Clinton campaign has been heavily spinning that the whites who live in area are Obama voters because they get their TV from Chicago, his home. Maybe. The people here certainly know more about Obama than in other, more distant states. But I heard the same divided feelings I've been hearing since Iowa on Obama — that he's an agent for change, that he's too inexperienced. Valparaiso gets its current vitality from its status as a Chicago bedroom community, but for much of the last century, area factories pumped money and jobs into this town. There's a famous military magnet company that moved to China that was once here — Clinton often mentions it in her stump speeches.

Even in this relatively prosperous area, economic concerns were rife. I met a carpenter whose renovation work has all but dried up, and a man on disability who is planning to use his tax rebate to pay for a new pair of prescription glasses.


April 30, 2008 at 6:31AM

Gary, Ind.; Lafayette, Ind.

Tuesday, I traveled from the old economy to the new, from the boarded-up facades of Gary — 20 miles from Chicago — to the revivifying downtown of Lafayette about two hours southeast. Gary was a shock. I've never been to New Orleans, but I imagine this is what parts of that city feels like. As I traveled down Broadway leaving the U.S. Steel plant — still in operation but only as a shell of the enormous economic engine it once was — I found what felt like miles of closed stores. Furniture shops, clothiers, jewelers, restaurants — all were boarded up, with their '50s or '60s-designed signs still intact, as in a macabre mid-century museum. The population here once topped 200,000. Now it's about 85,000. I found rutted alleyways, the paved roads disintegrating back to dirt. A whole elementary school boarded shut. And for the first time, people in this campaign talked about not getting enough to eat. One woman even helped herself to the leftover sausage on a friend's plate, vowing not to let meat go to waste. Issues that once loomed large — climate change, immigration — were barely mentioned. Instead, it was raw economic survival.


Andrea Bernstein is The Takeaway's political director.

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I hope your coverage about this state will sound like more than another "Obama and the race problem" story. Find examples of his local outreach to citizens he connected with during that surprising 11-state run, and discuss why it worked in those states, and how the current efforts might work again. And before you ask how much Wright is gonna stick to Barack, do some in-depth exploration of why the press has completely ignored Mayor Ed Rendell's glowing welcome of Farrakhan, in 1997. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

Posted by zalel, 7:42 a.m. Wednesday, April 30 2008 Permalink

ITunes will not let me listen to WNYC FM. It has switched all the WNYC spots to AM. Until yesterday, I could get either one. How do I fix it? I want to hear The Takeaway and can't. One switched, I will just keep it on FM from 8 am. Hope you can help me, thanks. Mary Wallis Gutmann

Posted by Mary Wallis Gutmann, 8:25 a.m. Wednesday, April 30 2008 Permalink

Did you guys even use a focus group to see how an audience would react to a show such as this? How could you guys goof up to this extent? It is absolutely horrifying. You are going to lose a majority of your listeners. . . so be sure to pay attention to these comments. It is so sad you are feeling the need to join the mediocrity that already exists out there in the news/media world. I expected more out of you.

Posted by Very Frustrated Listener, 8:27 a.m. Wednesday, April 30 2008 Permalink

In theory, this show could be great - trying to attract a more diversified audience. But it sucks. I hate it. I want news in the morning, unbiased, state-the-facts, basic news. Not someones opinion. Make it go away.

Posted by Jess Hooks, 8:41 a.m. Wednesday, April 30 2008 Permalink

As a long time Morning Edition listener I now stay tuned for Takeaway. Slow it down! You two sound too nervous and keep interrupting each other and sound pressed for time. Morning Edition has it right and I can understand what they are saying. Don't make me switch to WQXR instead of NPR.

Posted by clyde turner, 11:18 a.m. Wednesday, April 30 2008 Permalink

I had high hopes for the Take Away as an alternative to Morning Edition and it's shift away from hard news towards opinion in the guise of "News Analysis". Andrea Bernstein’s coverage of the Indiana primary quickly shattered this hope, When she reported interviews with people who talk up Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and Reverend Wright, and then followed that up with campaign commercial for Hillary’s campaign, I mean W.T.F…. Who produced and edited this segment? Are they working in coordination with Harold Ickes? Do they think we are stupid? The bias of Bernstein’s reporting is pretty flagrant for H.R.C. and she is the political Director for WNYC. I have heard many examples of this bias on NPR and wonder why my pledge dollars are being used to attack a presidential candidate. I Suspended my pledge to WNYC for this reason and am waiting for fair and unbiased news reporting.

Posted by John Payne, 2:18 p.m. Wednesday, April 30 2008 Permalink

We are hurting here in Indiana. The latest question is why gas is $3.75 a gallon when in some other states it's $3.25 (and Indiana's gas tax is not 50c higher than those places)?

Posted by Johnathan Grant, 11:22 p.m. Wednesday, April 30 2008 Permalink

Please take away The Takeaway and give me back my Morning Edition! Its breathless pace and constant interuption of interviewees to go on to the next over-energized musical interlude, to the British gal doing the "headlines" (today there was some incomprehensible 23 second story about changing the name of "squaw", but her intro was so garbled I missed the point - also, her doing the NBA scores is hilariously stupid)is just too much noise - it's Fox on the radio. Please take it away, or just slow down! PS I cannot get the WNYC AM alternative, so I'm stuck in Takeaway Hell

Posted by Paul B. Smadbeck, 6:54 a.m. Thursday, May 1 2008 Permalink

Today was the worst yet for this program. Like another commenter, I could not understand the point of a story from your BBC reporter because the intro was garbled. Much of today's show seemed to me pointless and silly with so much time being spent on words that should be retired. If this is interactivity, then count me out. This program needs serious reworking and you should acknowledge to your listeners that you are hearing our complaints.

Posted by Paul, 7:10 a.m. Thursday, May 1 2008 Permalink

I would like to think that there is hope for this show, unfortunately the concept seems too flawed. There are about a hundred comments on this site expressing real dissatisfaction with the show. I'm sure that is a very small percentage of the listeners that are unhappy with it. Please contact WNYC Listener Services (and if you know others who value quality public radio have them get in touch too) and let them know how you feel about this program. listenerservices@wnyc.org (212) 669-3333

Posted by Jessica P, 10:46 a.m. Thursday, May 1 2008 Permalink

I'm sorry to tell you folks that no one at WNYC is going to listen to your dissatisfaction with the Takeaway or to care one iota about your opinions. No one at WNYC cared a few years ago when "everybody" hated Satellite Sisters -- it stayed on until WNYC couldn't get funding. (It's all about the money!) No one at WNYC cared a few years ago when a LOT of people protested when daytime classical music was cancelled. The WNYC board is going to do whatever Laura Walker wants them to do. And nobody ever accused Laura Walker of being interested in public radio.

Posted by Waldo, 11:58 a.m. Thursday, May 1 2008 Permalink

Please retire "My Bad"

Posted by Stephen J. Charbonneau, 1:48 p.m. Thursday, May 1 2008 Permalink

I gave you a week. The show is not working. The conversations are not interesting and the style panders to the lowest common denominator. I expect much better things from WNYC and NPR. As a donor for over 25 years to WNYC I will try to make my point regarding my dissatisfaction with this show by making no more donations until it is dropped from the schedule. Thankfully I can pick up WHYY on at least part of my commute and listen to Morning Edition.

Posted by michael rubin, 7:29 a.m. Friday, May 2 2008 Permalink

If the concept is to be interactive, then please offer a response to the hundreds of negative comments by disappointed listeners. At least let us know that you are listening to the concerns expressed on this site and sent to listener services. Some sort of statement from the hosts or the producers would go a long way in convincing your listeners that you are truly interested in our opinions. Don't advertise this show as interactive if you are not willing to participate in the dialog. Many don't like the show so far--- you just can't ignore this.

Posted by Paul, 10:24 a.m. Friday, May 2 2008 Permalink

It amazes me that so many of these listeners are as harshly critical as they are after three days. I am fond of the show. It is not a replacement for Morning Edition, but a supplement. Both have their place. I loved "Your Billion Dollar President" and the dynamic between Ms. Udoji and Mr. Hockenberry is compelling, entertaining, informative, and amusing. I have been a big fan of both of their careers. Give it time and people will realize YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO BE BOB EDWARDS.

Posted by Zak, 10:42 a.m. Friday, May 2 2008 Permalink

You probably didnt know that it is not unusual when any station puts something new on the air that the people they hear from are resoundingly negative. So I wouldnt read too much into this in the short term. I can imagine the show is taking in the feedback, too, however.

Posted by Jason, 11:25 a.m. Friday, May 2 2008 Permalink

I've listened to your radio program. Evidently you've got a lot to offer. How about adding a second hour?

Posted by P. Trepp, 3:12 p.m. Friday, May 2 2008 Permalink

Having listened avidly to The Infinite Mind, I was excited by the prospect of thoughtful analysis and more on The Take Away, but now I wish you would just Take It Away. For two such bright and well informed commentators to present such an amateurish, superficial and often uninformed show is very dismaying. WYNC may need a creative response to the proliferation of bloggers and "instant journalists", but abandoning your standards of care, diligence and professionalism is not going to carry the day -- it just makes you sound silly. I'll stay loyal to WYNC and NPR, but sadly it won't be because of your show. Maybe it's time to go back to the drawing board and figure out how the $7 million budget reported by The NY Times can be well spent before you burn through more funding, goodwill and the loyalty of your devoted listeners.

Posted by Very Loyal Very Dismayed, 11:10 p.m. Friday, May 2 2008 Permalink

After all the hype for The Takeaway, what a terrible disappointment. First, I don't need to be reminded every three minutes that I'm listening to The Takeaway. Second, I don't need two fast-talking, wise cracking, hysterical hosts who are constantly interruping each other with dumb comments. Please take away The Takeaway and bring back Morning Edition. From a long-time, supporter of WNYC.

Posted by Milton Snitzer, 10:09 a.m. Saturday, May 3 2008 Permalink

While specifics tell a story, would it be possible to put 35 scooters sold in Minneapolis into some perspective? For instance: What fraction of US commuting miles are on scooters? Has that number changed much? What were those people doing pre-scooter - maybe they were on a subway or bus? I've lived in Asia where scooters are the #1 form of personal transportation - and they are noisy, polluting and dangerous. How clean are the scooters? Are they saving gas in exchange for pollutants? What is the relative risk of scooter commuting vs. automobile? It's an appealing idea - but I wonder if it's another ethanol in the making - sounds good, gets promoted, turns out to be a disaster.

Posted by Rick Fleeter, 6:08 p.m. Saturday, May 3 2008 Permalink

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[[Comment moderated. Off-topic. Moved to "Mornings Need a Makeover."]]

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